[Philmont] Advisor Questions

Don,
We trained our boys on the Pacific Crest Trail method of hanging which uses
a stop stick on the down string to suspend the food without tying to a
tree. I understand that the Ranger will teach the tie-off method. Can you
revert back after day 3?

See
http://www.backpackinglight.com/cgi-bin/backpackinglight/bear_bag_hanging_technique.htmlon
method

-=Dan=-

On Mon, Jun 9, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Donald S. Roberts <donald@hummellawfirm.com>
wrote:

> *From:* Kim P
> 1)we used the rope provided by Philmont, used to hang bear bags each night
>
> 2) we used the bag provided by PHilmont, I would leave the bear canister at
> home. I would think PHilmont would NOT let you use it any way. Their bear
> procedures are tried and proven.
>
> 3) my last trek started July 24, NO bugs. But I hear of a few treks every
> couple years who do run into bugs, but earlier in July as I remember. I
> have used a sunscreen with DEET each time. An OFF product, found it last
> time in the bug repellent section of CVS.
>
> 4) used the PHilmont method to purify twice, used a filter the last
> time. The choice is up to you............IF you have room for it.
>
> 5) plenty of "red Roof" Inns or "Pilot to bombardier" or "pilot to
> co-pilot" to use, in trail camps and staff camps. Bring one towel for the
> whole crew, just in case.
>
> Be careful what advice you take, different treks, and particularly the
> Valle, have distinct requirements.
> However, forget the bear canister. I prefer them to the bags, I think they
> work better and should be used, but Philmont doesn't allow them. You will
> have to hang you stuff anyway, so if you bring a canister, you will have to
> stick it in a bag and hang it. They also use the tie off method rather than
> counter balance, which Philmont policy I also disagree with. Here in
> California I guess the bears are smarter, the tie off method would result in
> your stuff in the paws of a bear.
>
> As to using the PHilmont rope or not, remember that when you have a four
> day pickup, and crew stuff that goes up, your bags could weigh a total of
> over 100 pounds for a 12 person crew. That means your lightweight 1/8 inch
> cord is not likely toi be strong enough. We have had success in using a 1/8
> inch steel cable with pulleys and carabiners instead of the philmont rope,
> it actually worked out lighter.
>
> I've heard of problems with bugs, typically no-see-ums, rarely mosquitos.
> I've never experienced it.
>
> We took a filter our first two treks. Used it never the first time, once
> the second. I doubt we'll bring one again. I don't know what the water
> situation is in the Valle, though.
>
> From the other responses, it sounds like there are fewer places with
> facilities in the Valle. Even in the south, however, you can have a long
> day (say 9 miles or so) with no facilities, so you need at least some
> capability to dig a cathole if needed. The plastic sierra shovel is
> virtually weightless and having a few is not a big cost and makes it easier
> to find one when impatiently needed. Just be careful not to run out of
> toilet paper. We did one day due to it getting wet. Not a pretty sight.
>
> Regards
> Don Roberts
> Fullerton, CA
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